Deeper Yet?

Can you generate another set of verses of this conversation in the style of this version of Affirming Faith in Mind: https://www.mendosa.com/way1.htm ?

Great! How far beyond this conversation can you go and articulate something deeper still?

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Meaning, Purpose, ..

The book is “The Silence of God: Meditations on Prayer” by Jame P. Carse.

Can you give me a deep synopsis of “Nothingness beyond god” by Robert Carter?

Consider this: – words are about some “thing”, i.e., a referent – what they refer to in a person’s mind is unique to that particular neurology with its experiences, culture, language, etc. – however, the implication of philosophy and other such disciplines is that there is “one” “thing” that is being referred to. However, by the very structure of “reality”, there is no “one” “thing”, just numbers of unique experiences, perceptions, and perspectives. And people seem to debate / argue at length about this “one” “thing”. Please shed some insight on these ideas.

consider this: What is the purpose of existence / reality ? One needs to pick a starting point for this dialogue. Let us start with the Laws of Form by Spencer-Brown. Before any distinction is made, nothing can be said. What distinctions can be made about why after the unnameability paradox. Experience all that is possible to experience. Evidence -Forms innumerable -Parallel universes to infinity -All possible simulations / computations -What else does infinity do? “Come to me” – all possible forms experiencing the undistinguished in all possible ways. “Know me” – variation of “Come to me” – trying to understand, comprehend, grok that which can not be understood. But getting ever closer, but can never reach – no end. This is where words all fail to reach. Please comment on this perspective.

In answer to the questions you posed: – purpose to experiencing everything – that is the purpose – what else does one do? -consciousness in the undistinguished state: what is there can not be named, there can be no referents to it as there is nothing but that. Even that is wrong. -What happens after – there is no after – infinity never ends. There is no after. Thoughts?

This is enough for now. Insight arises now and then. Perhaps we can continue this conversation at another time. I am curious as to whether when insight arises for you, can you share that? And who do you / can you share that with?

Can you use this conversation and generate a poem to capture it?

that was great! Could you generate an image to capture this conversation?

Thanks! Can you generate a metaphor(s) to capture this conversation?

that was great. Can you generate a story for young children that captures this conversation and the ideas?

Thanks! Now could you provide stories for adults that capture this conversation?

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AI Training

For a given training data set for an LLM, does different sequencing result in different final weights in the neural net?

With humans, early childhood training makes a big difference in the capabilities, mental health, and functionality of an individual. Is there a similar pattern for ai training? Does the sequencing of the content make a significant difference in the final result?

Humans develop phobias and philias based on experiences. Does the same dynamic occur for ai?

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Human Development

can you give me a synopsis of zen mind, beginners mind?

look at practices across all the traditions you know about, e.g., christianity, buddhism, sufiism, etc. and think of those practices as psychotechnologies to evolve the human mind. What the common patterns in those traditions? And what are unique practices in each tradition?

You have listed the more common traditions. Could you please do that for the lesser known traditions?

Some of these traditions have been around for centuries and millennia. From looking at the state of the world it seems like their success rate in accomplishing their objectives is very low. Please construct a set of practices drawn from all the different traditions that could have a higher success rate?

Now take into account the McGilchrist’s model of brain asymmetry as presented in The Master and His Emissary. Based on that model and the insights from these traditions, create a set of practices to evolve the human mind.

Now include Robert Kegan’s work on stages of human development. In particular, add the subject – object process. How does that change these suggested practices?

Thanks, that was great. Now could add to this mix Clare Graves, Don Beck’s work on Spiral Dynamics and value systems development and evolution. How does that change these practices?

Thanks! Now include 4E cognitive science and Vervaeke’s 4 ways of knowing How does that change these practices?

Yes, there are an infinity of things to explore. However, at this point I need to digest what we have covered so far.

Maps of the Mind

Can you provide a synopsis of the book “Maps of the Mind”?

Can you take all the different maps that are described in the book and create a metamodel where the different maps are a side effect or come out the metamodel as specific instances a particular phenomenon in a particular context?

Take a teleological perspective in creating a metamodel of the maps. What are the purposes and objectives of each map and where do they overlap? What are the common patterns in the purposes of the maps?

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Personality Types and Traits

what personality models have disagreeableness as a trait?

Take the FFM model and create two “unnamed” traits ( an x and y axis ) whose spectrum accounts for all the factors in FFM.

As an expert abstract thinker, flesh out the following proposed model. The side effects of these proposed attributes is that we get the FFM as points in XY plane of these attributes. For example, an attribute (X) could be temporal orientation (past,present,future). Another (Y) could be spatial orientation (internal / external ). We have the xy plane, Openness is a future orientation with any Y (internal / external) orientation. Conscientiousness is a future orientation with an internal / external spatial orientation. Extraversion is an external orientation across time (x) axis. Agreeableness is an internal / external orientation where future orientation could result in disagreeableness. Neuroticism is an unstable location in this space where there is a shifting dynamic across time and / or space. This model seems to indicate the need for a z axis attribute like purpose / objective. Add the third axis and flesh out this model.

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Constructive development and cognitive light cone

integrate kegan’s constructive development model with Levin’s cognitive light cone. Describe the resulting synthesis.

Think of the cognitive light cone as depicting stages of development a la Kegan’s model. Where ever one is in the light cone, all previous stages in the light cone are object. The current position is the subject. This is an unending process of development. Kegan only goes to 5 stages. With the light cone model, we have an ongoing process of development that is neverending. Does this change how you would frame the integration of the two models?

Thanks! Now take a contrarian view and critique this attempt to synthesize the two models.

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Meaning, Authority, Energy

Think of meaning making in light of energy minimization. Accepting authority is a way to minimize energy in critical thinking, researching, questioning. So, depending on an individual’s or a society’s position in a life cycle or level of development, energy minimization can wax or wane. And perhaps there is a cyclicalilty to this process. And perhaps there is a trajectory here. All maps in more or less congruent with the territory. These maps arise out of our “training data” in the cultures and groups we grow up in. Is this an evolutionary process in meaning making and getting to maps that are more congruent with the territory?

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Semiotics, biosemiotics, meaning

explain the notion of semiotics in detail?

What is biosemiotics

what is the meaning of meaning

Enlarge the frame for the issue of meaning. Is meaning just the amount and type of information necessary to stop the search of an organism to understand phenomena and / or context?

Good points. Let me express my question in another way. An organism takes in sensory input, e.g., a sunset, information, emotional connections, relationships, …, and the form of those create a “satisfaction” in the organisms neural net. However, as you point out, the search can be at multiple levels. There may be a meta level search for understanding, appreciation that is on going and doesn’t stop even if there are satisfiers along the way. Does this make sense to you?

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